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Middle-earth Journeys • Requests for Tolkien Research Assistance - Page 2
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:31 pm
by Merry

Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:07 pm
by Lindariel

Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:26 pm
by elentarivarda

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:27 pm
by Merry
I'm doing a little writing this semester on Tolkien and I could use some help thinking. One part of my paper tries to make the claim that some of the characters in LOTR can be seen in terms of priest, prophet, and king, roles to which Catholics are called to fulfill in our baptism liturgy. It's pretty well known, of course, that the Church doesn't call all of us to those roles in a literaral sense. (That's okay: I'm not bitter because I can't be a priest! :twisted: ) But there's a metaphorical sense of these terms, also.

Anyway, probably the weakest part of my claim is that Aragorn functions as a kind of Old Testament priest. Yes, there were Hebrew priests in the OT, descendents of Aaron and of the tribe of Levi. Besides maintaining their lineage, their primary job was to lead rituals. It's pretty easy to see how Aragorn's lineage was the most impressive in LOTR, and I think that his handling of athelas and his absolution and funeral rite for Boromir fit this role. But can anybody think of any other ritual elements in Aragorn's actions?

Thanks in advance! This would help a lot.

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:11 pm
by Riv Res
Merry, I think that the events at Minas Tirith are full of rituals that Aragorn brings with him. I think that it is more evident in that part of the story than anywhere else.

:arrow: The refusal to enter the city as a triumphant King before he is crowned. He enters as a healer in diguise. This has always seemed to me to smack more of ritual and tradition than sheer modesty.

:arrow: The whole House of Healing chapter speaks to the healing powers of, and ritual of the King as a healer.

:arrow: The coronation where he has Faramir bring him the crown and Aragorn says the unforgettable... "Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome Maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!"

:arrow: The whole ritual after he was crowned where he came to the barrier and Húrin of the Keys opened it and Aragorn went through the flower filled streets.

:arrow: When Aragorn finds and takes the white sapling back to the city and replaces the White Tree.

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:38 am
by Lindariel

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:44 am
by Merry

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:34 am
by Lindariel

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:01 am
by Merry

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:16 pm
by Lindariel

Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:41 pm
by Merry

Re: Requests for Tolkien Research Assistance

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:23 pm
by MICHKA
Si vous regardez les bonus de la version courte cinéma du ''Retour du roi'', edition Prestige, il y a un documentaire fort intéressant et explicite sur le destin et les motivations d'Aragorn; c'est très bien fait avec beaucoup d'analogies à des personnages véritables, réels, ayant existé!!!Cela peut éventuellement éclairer quelques points obscurs pour certains. De mon point de vue il ne fait aucun doute sur la signification des mobiles justifiant les actes héroïques de celui-ci; sauver une terre et ses habitants, protéger du mal engendré par son ennemi l'existence et le mode de vie, obéir à sa foi en l'humanité.

Re: Requests for Tolkien Research Assistance

Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:45 pm
by Merry
Thanks, Michka--I'll have to look to see if that is in our edition here in the States. It's kind of fun that, as you are making your way around our site, you're also reminding us of good conversations from the past!

Lindariel, as I've read up this thread, I now happen to know that Catholic priests are not and have never been allowed to carry weapons of any kind. (Even now, in orders of Knights such as the Knights of Columbus and the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre, priests who are members do not wear the ceremonial swords, because their counterparts in the Middle Ages did not carry weapons.) I think this is probably a good thing, a little nod toward the inconsistencies between the message of Christ and the violence of warfare, even though the Church has not often been consistent in this area.

I do sometimes hear old-time Catholics speak of the Church Militant, however, but as you said above, the battle is a spiritual one, often with one's own demons. :evil:

Re: Requests for Tolkien Research Assistance

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:51 am
by MICHKA
bonjour, le documentaire dont je parle est réalisé par le ''National Géographic''; je reprends la route du retour de vacances et vous retrouverai depuis le nord de la France dès lundi; je pourrais me pencher sur mes livres et anecdotes pour continuer nos échanges et répondre aux jeux, à bientôt et merci de vos encouragements

Re: Requests for Tolkien Research Assistance

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 3:14 pm
by Merry
Thanks, Michka. I've never seen the National Geographic program, although I imagine it's wonderful! I'll need to add that to my list.

It IS hard to participate in the discussions here when one is away from one's research materials. Memory is sometimes faulty! So welcome back from your vacation.