FOTR - Many Meetings: Bk II, Chapter I

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FOTR - Many Meetings: Bk II, Chapter I

Postby Riv Res » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:46 am

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Postby Merry » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:53 am

I've always thought that Tolkien chose an interesting place in the narrative to end Book 1 and begin Book 2. Do you think that anyone has ever stopped with Frodo losing consciousness at the Ford, put down her book, and thought, 'Yeah, I'll pick this up again next weekend?' No way! Aren't we so relieved to find Frodo safe with Gandalf in the Last Homely House?
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Postby hope » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:52 pm

I've always loved Rivendell, right from my first read. Tolkien I feel described the peace and tranquility perfectly that Rivendell provided, I always wanted to go there

The council of Elrond allows the reader to gain background information relating to all the races of middle earth, which i feel is needed to bring some story lines and links to history together.

i also feel re-introducing Bilbo into the story links the LOTR well with the Hobbit.
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Postby Iolanthe » Tue Jan 24, 2006 5:28 pm

I really enjoy this chapter! So many interesting things new things to enjoy and there is the same sense of relief and pleasure we get when the Hobbits are taken to Bombadil's home. I'd better catch up reading it so I can say more!
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Postby Merry » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:03 am

I can't remember where I read this, but some writer has pointed out that in many hero/journey stories, the hero must visit a place of lore before he proceeds on the journey. I think it's no accident that both Bilbo and Frodo stop at Rivendell: wisdom is needed for both of these quests. But the account of Rivendell is so anemic in The Hobbit!
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Postby Chrissiejane » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:59 pm

Merry, I had a quick look at some Joseph Campbell works to see if I could find your reference, could not immediately locate anything about learning the folklore, but I do think that the Rivendell connections serve another purpose too. The hobbits are introduced to Elves - superior beings with powers that help them in the quest. Because they go to Rivendell they are able to access Elrond's (and Galadriel's) gift of foresight, and to get gifts, advice and support to help them in their quest. In many heroic journeys the hero is supported by gods or angels or similar who come to his aid at critical times. So maybe Tolkien is encompassing more than one of the traditional mythical elements in this chapter.
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Postby Merry » Tue Jan 31, 2006 4:40 am

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Postby Iolanthe » Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:16 pm

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Postby Marilyn » Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:14 pm

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